The Lost World of Adam and Eve: Genesis 2-3 and the Human Origins Debate - John H. Walton, N.T. Wright Audiobook
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For centuries, the story of Adam and Eve has resonated richly through the corridors of art, literature, and theology. But for most moderns, taking it at face value is incongruous. And even for many thinking Christians today who want to take seriously the authority of Scripture, insisting on a “literal” understanding of Genesis 2-3 looks painfully like a “tear here” strip between faith and science.
How can Christians of good faith move forward? Who were the historical Adam and Eve? What if we’ve been reading Genesis - and its claims regarding material origins - wrong? In what cultural context was this couple, this garden, this tree, this serpent portrayed?
Following his groundbreaking Lost World of Genesis One, John Walton explores the ancient Near Eastern context of Genesis 2-3, creating space for a faithful reading of Scripture along with full engagement with science for a new way forward in the human origins debate. As a bonus, an illuminating excursus by N. T. Wright places Adam in the implied narrative of Paul’s theology.
The Lost World of Adam and Eve is a must-listen book for anyone seeking to understand this foundational text historically, and theologically, and wondering how to view it alongside contemporary understandings of human origins.
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This post has 20 comments with rating of 4.2/5
April 26th, 2023
if Jesus died to wipe away our sins, why aren’t we back living in the Garden, never dying, never working, and never feeling the pain of child birth ?
April 26th, 2023
In answer to question posed by Avatar of Shadow in comment above.
Jesus did not “wipe away our sins”. That is am erroneous interpretation of his death on the cross feeding into the Apocatastasis heretical view of the history of salvation. Apocatastasis is the reverse of Apocalypse, in essence what you described as return to pre-sin state innocence. And that’s the problem with Apocatastais: because, what if Man fall into sin again?
In other words, Apocatastasis view seeks to reverse Man’s moral growths and progress achieved through the history of salvation. Moral growth is the only way Humankind can overcome sin, not just as a personal falling of character, but also as injustice in society. Therefore, an orthodox interpretation of death of Jesus on the cross would be the following: execution of Jesus was an pivotal act of injustice againts fellow Man and God himself. Humankind is morally responsible for killing an innocent, a scandalous, irreversable crime done under the guise of justice. That is, outward symptom of inner corruption. And then God changed the game by doing the impossible, ressurecting Jesus and forgiving Mankind for murder of his Son. From that moment onward, Humankind knows repentence, forgiveness and reconciliation between God and Man (also between Men) is possible. No need for frozen conflicts or open wars till death. That is moral growth and progress. Forgiveness entails letting go of guilt but also taking responsibility for consequences of sin and injustice (the Final Judgement). In other words, after death and resurrection of Jesus we aim not to retun to the state of lost innocence but to build something better being repented but also wiser because all that has happened.
April 26th, 2023
It’s all about dignified freedom of the will.
Thx again, prof, verily the Wright stuff.
April 26th, 2023
Who were the historical Adam and Eve?
Fictional characters from a single ancient mythology. They did not exist, and are not compatible, at all, with modern scientific knowledge. At no point was the Genus Homo made up, ever, of fewer than tens of thousands of individuals. There is no single common ancestor, only a single common lineage that traces itself back through a number of speciation events toward ancestors that are decidedly NOT human. Every Human had parents and their parents had parents too.
If anyone ever represents to you that the science does not definitively say this, they are lying.
April 26th, 2023
As Adams advises, “Don’t Panic.” Genesis is poetry.
As St. Augustine advises in this regard, the worst reading is literal.
April 26th, 2023
welcome back, prof. you were missed
April 26th, 2023
I found out that geneticists say that human DNA was fused together, something not found in nature. This has led me to believe that we were “created”, but not by any God, rather than other beings that have been watching us for a very long time. Ancient texts seem to verify a lot of this, that we were used by “Gods who came out of the sky” in our distant past. I think this is where the Adam & Eve ideas came from, just not understood when it was recorded. And like the Prometheus myth, Eve was punished for trying to give knowledge to humans. They wanted to keep us as ignorant as possible while we were used for what we were created for. A number of ancient cultures talked about this. And one of things we were used for was the mining of gold. There is a lot of information about this out there.
April 26th, 2023
the Bible PROVES that Adam and Eve were real, just as The Hobbit PROVES that Bilbo and Gandalf were real. That’s how books work.
April 26th, 2023
If I make a few noises with my throat, I can make other people sad, angry or happy. Just a few noises with my throat can totally and completely change your mood. Think about how religion uses this fact….
April 26th, 2023
Of course, Augustine also speculated upon a model of human evolution, in addition to advising against Genesis-literalism. Amazing when you realise that was 1600 yrs ago.
April 26th, 2023
There is no “debate”. The bible, specifically The Torah (the Old Testament), is just the psychotic ramblings of illiterate, power hungry men to try and control every aspect of your life for their own gain. That doesn’t make Christianity exceptional. All religions pretty much follow the same template. It’s all about power and control through fear and divisiveness. Think of it like imagining Fox News as God.
April 26th, 2023
The Bible (the “book”) “is just the psychotic ramblings of illiterate…men?” If only considered as a literary document, Exodus, the Book of Job, the Song of Solomon, the Books of Samuel, Genesis, etc. - these represent some of the greatest works of literature in world history. Their historical, cultural & literary value are wholly inarguable. On this, there is indeed no “debate.” Moreover, the sublime literature of a marginal, persecuted people - without power, in actual fact. The enormously sophisticated writings of the Jewish are unprecedentedly self-critical & psychologically acute.
It’s actually deeply flawed & selfish people who seek “power and control through fear and divisiveness.” Merely observe the devastating wars & genocidal atheist regimes of the last century. The Holodomor wasn’t inspired by the Sermon on the Mount.
April 26th, 2023
@Caesar963If only considered as a literary document, Exodus, the Book of Job, the Song of Solomon, the Books of Samuel, Genesis, etc. - these represent some of the greatest works of literature in world history.
False. Oldest, but not “greatest.” Not even particularly good. The book of job reads like to children discussing poking a bug with a stick and the characterization of ANY book in the bible is universally aweful. What is any person’s motive for doing anything? Greek mythology is far more evocative and the Illiad/Oddessy, as a single, random example of a single comparable fable trounces every aspect of the bible.
“Their historical, cultural & literary value are wholly inarguable.”
So you admit, their only actual value is the relative paucity of competitors in an arbitrary time/place/society that you are personally invested in and has nothing to do with the text itself? It could say “gobbledygook” and you’d still cheer it on as one of the greatest literary works of history because those previously mentioned “psychotic men” said it? Glad we’re being honest at least.
“The enormously sophisticated writings…”
Lol. No.
“Merely observe the devastating wars & genocidal atheist regimes of the last century. ”
Gott mit uns
April 27th, 2023
Well, I agree with that 1st paragraph. Otherwise…
“False. Oldest, but not…” - None of your business here makes any coherent sense. It’s up for an urgent revision.
“universally aweful” - Shoorly Shome Mishtake, Milord!
“So you admit, their only actual value is…” - None of this unrelated matter remotely follows.
(And the “Gott mit” phrase was a traditional heraldic device utilised in & later by German military (Wehrmacht) during periods spanning the German Empire (1871) to the early yrs of West Germany (to 1962). Also used by Sweden.)
“gobbledygook” - well, now you certainly are talking!
The “Oddessy” - A work with which I am not at all conversant. Is it possibly related to Virgill’s Inny-Idd?
April 28th, 2023
The only debate I’m aware of is did life originate on earth VS panspermia.
Why religion is wasting precious time on this, when they could use the time & energy to help people in the here & now with practicable & spiritual needs?
This not at or near the top of the list of reasons why they continue to lose people. avatarofshadow, brought up a big one for many - suffering. Why is there suffering when God is supposedly all powerful? Why is there death?
Why do billions of poor live on less than $2 a day with many needing to walk a mile or more to get clean water while the world’s 2,640 billionaires have & hoard $12 Trillion?
I have yet to hear an acceptable reason why the almighty allows this - any of it. All of it.
Any being who could prevent all this cruelty, fear & suffering, but chooses not to is a sick sadist who can go F-itself along with it’s dupe worshipers.
BTW, science is not perfect, nor has all the answers, but it has relieved an incalculable amount suffering.
The origin of life is academic. I’d love to hang out & chat about it for hours, but my shift for my 2nd job starts in 45 mins & it’s a 40 min commute.
Y’all have a blessed evening.
April 28th, 2023
“they could use the time & energy to help people in the here & now with practicable & spiritual needs” - Is this what you do? While they have always engaged in global charity, famine relief efforts, free medical care/education, poor relief, etc. etc. - you yourself admit that you have no sympathy for civilian victims of Putin’s imperial wars of conquest. So, people’s needs genuinely don’t seem to be a priority for you. (Consistency, what’s that, milord?)
“they continue to lose people” - look beyond your parochial focus. Over 8 billion peeps in the world, & 93-96% of them have some form of religious frame of values. While your local chapel may be turning into a Starbucks⟨™⟩ elsewhere they can’t build the churches, schools, universities, mosques et al fast enough. It’s the West that continues to lose actual people (& so much else besides), everyone else continues on.
“Why is there suffering” - Hang on, you’re indifferent to, or actively support, the infliction of pain on others (your “I love Putin”) - so it’s fairly hypocritical now to get all concerned, hmmm? However, your sadism is the result of your free will, which is also the occasion of moral evil, generally. You choose it. You & your ilk must desist in these choices, in order to relieve suffering.
“science not perfect, nor has all answers, but has relieved incalculable amount suffering” - Science (& you may relate to this) is a tool, an instrument. It’s creations can both relieve & cause suffering.
Origins & causation are of interest to humanity (here, you may not relate).
May 14th, 2023
Thank you so much for this professoramoretti @ gmail . com. Truly appreciated.
May 19th, 2023
caesar963
“None of your business here makes any coherent sense.”
Your failure to discern the difference between age and worth is your failure alone. Also, the irony and lack of self-awareness encapsulated within this statement is applause-worthy.
May 19th, 2023
caesar963
Is this what you do?
Is apnea god? Is he a multi-trillion dollar corporation that operates in every country on earth hiding behind faux philanthropy? Does he claim to be the tangible physical incarnation of all good things everywhere, and lone judge to all mankind?
NO? Then in what way is your personal attack relevant here? He could be an actual Nazi and his point would remain salient. Speaking of Nazis, I noticed that you intentionally chose to ignore that little bit of history while attempting to excuse away the use of an old bit of heraldry as the motto for Nazis in the field during WW2. I wonder why? Does it make you uncomfortable to know that all those atrocities were carried out in the name of god and that the people on the ground believed that they were fulfilling a prophecy by waging war against god’s enemies?
“free will”
As opposed to what? Will is inherently free and an expression of freedom. The freedom to choose. You can lack will, or you can bind one’s body in chains, but you cannot unfree one’s will. God takes so credit for allowing his sheep free-will and you guys bleet about it forever, never realizing the inherent contradiction in everything you’re saying. I’m responsible for my choices? Humanity is responsible for their choices? God is responsible for HIS choices, and no, being an absentee father and letting your children grow up on the streets is not some glorious gift. It’s easy, and it’s evil. Just like god.
May 1st, 2025
Can any of these figgots go one comment section without mentioning Fox News? Annoying naggers.
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