The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller Audiobook

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  Wemdu
  June 20th, 2020
  

  Sounds fascinating - thanks

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  NantanLupan
  June 20th, 2020
  

  Thank you

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  sameasy
  June 20th, 2020
  

  Looking forward to it. Thanx!

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  jsalazar41464
  June 20th, 2020
  

  Thank you

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  ssafe05
  June 20th, 2020
  

  

  Maybe these maps and legends
  Have been misunderstood

  - REM

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  flarecat777
  June 20th, 2020
  

  Complete nonsense. “The Muslim world was safe and prosperous for Christians and Jew” blather. Muslims stole the knowledge from the West and babysat it. That’s it.

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  caesar963
  June 20th, 2020
  

  I have to say, the fundamentals there are unsound. At least these paragraphs depressingly obscure, rather than reveal, historical truth. The Catholic Church, through its network of monasteries, copied & preserved the works of Classical culture & antiquity, for over 1000 years. The texts were revered, considered sacred, and lovingly cared for, as they were repeatedly recopied. In addition, Greek and Latin were also preserved.

  And of course, the use of the old misnomer “Dark Ages” - the bane of medievalists & serious historians, is not a good sign in a book purporting to treat of historical matters. The ancient Greek Dark Age was termed in such a manner because literacy was lost. No such loss took place in the phase of time under discussion. Europe was however beleaguered & set upon by barbarian & Islamic invasions.

  In spite of this, the Church in Europe created the hospital, the university, and the doctrine of human rights. Theologians, philosophers and scholars continued to work & engage with Classical texts. Hardly a sign of cultural decay & accidie (there were three renaissances also - before the famous one). The Islamic world made admirable progress in the field of optics.

  Another serious warning sign there, concerning the burning of libraries. THE library OF Alexandria, legendary repository of knowledge, was burned by Caesar (my profuse apologies) in 48 BC, when forced to set fire to his own ships during the Siege of Alexandria. A full 548 years before the book’s express focus of interest. Presumably, the author is referring to the burning of A library IN Alexandria. Not for the life of me can I discern why the two are being conveniently conflated! Especially when considering the status of that library prior to 48 BC; the works we imagine it to have contained; and the enormous infamy of the event of its destruction. Ah, well…
  Thanks anyway, jo, you’re a star as always.

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  Comte
  June 21st, 2020
  

  Thanks!
  I’ve been looking for this one!

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  Audi0books
  June 21st, 2020
  

  

  Excellent.
  Of course there was a Dark Age in Europe, Petrarch used the words for his own time shortly before the first rennaisance. Obviously the East was destroyed by Mongols and knowledge moved Westwards after the Mongol Invasion and Reconquista. These are established historical FACTS held as self-evident even during the age of imperialism. Why did 21st century took it upon itself to change the history? Scholars like Aberald of Bath, Michael Scott, Roger Bacon, Gerbert of Aurillac, Abraham ben Meir, people who invested their lives in bringing knowledge of classical philosophy and sciences to the medieval Europe from Islamic World and al Andalusia must be rolling in their graves.

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  caesar963
  June 21st, 2020
  

  Y’know I love the bones of ya, Ab, but the reason that it is an erroneous concept, and why it haunts experts in the area as they attempt to disabuse unsophisticated popular understanding of the era, is because it was a label misapplied, by Petrarch & those who came later. Nevertheless, it is firmly established, no matter what any of us will say.

  We, like Petrarch, casually express a bias for our own time as being far more refined than the past. That’s how we distinguish our own era. We do it for our age over against Petrarch’s time, for instance. The reason his invoked metaphor fails the history test, is that the (actual) Greek Dark Ages (c 1100 BC to the 9th century BC), to which he was obliquely referring, was thought to feature an utter collapse of civilization, as signalled by the complete loss of literacy. Literacy had to be re-learned, thus the absence of written sources for the period rendered it “dark” - that’s all. This did not happen during the Middle Ages, a time of enormous cultural, artistic ferment (as outlined above), in spite of devastating attacks by Barbarian & Islamic forces. Invading groups did have to be gradually instructed in literacy.

  The Church did manage, during this time, to create and develop the university system. Canon lawyers also developed the concept of human rights (based on the individual, dignified human soul) and formulated a framework of international law. And the discipline of economics, etc. Agriculture also evolved, which it could not have done under Roman domination, as they could depend on a slave workforce. Consequently, they were not required to adopt more efficient measures.

  The Classical period generally had a concept of the human being which was impoverished, morally empty and materialist (brutal torture as public spectacle and entertainment; people were not seen as rights-bearers, that developed in the Middle Ages) - much like the view of personhood which is gaining ground in the West at this moment in history. Indeed, it has been proposed that the last century, with its unprecedented levels of savagery, could be described as a new Dark Age.

  The “first” Renaissance, was actually the fourth during this time phase, from the initial Carolingian Renaissance of the 8th & 9th centuries onwards! It was the knowledge of the Classical world (Greece & Rome - languages, literature & ideas) which was kept alive by the Christian monasteries, universities & scholars. Modern scholarship has brought much needed light to this area of study; in academe, at any rate, the fatuous taint has been removed.

  However, popular culture has not kept pace; people will stubbornly cling to their cherished notions. The predicament is humourously represented in the popular song “They all Laughed” - they all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the world was round. Except they didn’t; and he didn’thave to. Yet this absurd “knowledge” is still presented in some textbooks. Of course, all people with an interest in history should develop an increasing awareness of this deeply fascinating, formative phase of our past. At least the reading public should strive to inform others. The hospital, the university & the doctrine of human rights were no mean achievements. We kinda still rely on ‘em today (to some extent).

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  noxluna
  June 21st, 2020
  

  Do you ever shut up dude

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  caesar963
  June 22nd, 2020
  

  …in the interests of full disclosure: yes; yes, I do. For inst, there are a whole host of things I’m not saying to you right now.

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  3ookw0rm
  July 18th, 2020
  

  whenever I see a negative comment by c963, I know it is going to be a great book lol - proceeds to download….

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  aristolochene
  December 27th, 2020
  

  

  thank you

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller
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  privateero
  April 17th, 2023
  

  

  Just the fact that we have the pyramids and obelisks, which even the minor of them cannot seem to be replicated with modern means, attests to the fact that much of past/ancient history may not be what we have been told. Take for example the misnomer that our ancestors lived to 30 years old then died. Please explain how someone who didn’t live in the filthy poor industrial age or under serfdom, eating organic food, working in the sun, with a strong healthy community bond, would have just keeled over at 30 years old? Where is the history of pre-christian europe and how our ancestors lived, and what could we learn from that?

  It must be because we have the extremely profitable new religion of statism and its accoutrements such as pharmacopeia and Rockefeller medicine, the glorious new messiah and savior of the world, even though its rooted in pure greed and evil.

  The Map of Knowledge: A Thousand-Year History of How Classical Ideas Were Lost and Found - Violet Moller

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